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Post by nycbiscuit on Oct 11, 2012 11:55:36 GMT -5
Actually, Livestrong is a great charity, and a good informational resource online just for general health questions. Fortunately his name isn't splashed all over it online, and they can market and position themselves apart from him.
When this all first started, I felt bad for the guy, because to me it seemed like they were trying to punish him retroactively for things that weren't illegal at the time. And then some of it was like shady but didn't seem too awful, like banking your own blood in the off season and getting these transfusions. Seems to me that was something that everybody at that level was doing, so why just punish him? You know in every year he won the TdF he wasn't the only one doping, so does that make his win any less of an accomplishment? But now he just seems like a douche flat out denying everything when there's so many who have given evidence to the contrary, that even people like me who really don't give two shits about cycling think he's an asshole.
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Post by iggypopodopolous on Oct 11, 2012 12:45:46 GMT -5
It's such a shame. The guy had world by the ball.
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Post by Darren on Oct 11, 2012 14:57:34 GMT -5
It's a fucking dilemma...cheating. I hate it. When I see others cheat to get ahead, I wanna take a huge steaming dump in their locker. But what if someone walks in while I'm taking said dump? They look at me mid-squat, ass shoved into a locker, squiggly stink lines hanging in the air. Awkward.
The dilemma part is the fact, yes, fact that, in some sports, cheating is so fucking rampant that all policing it does is give a few unlucky souls a "time out" while everybody else just goes "whew, that was close" and goes right back to cheating.
And when a rookie MVP is caught red-handed, his attack-dog players union rep attacks the league and appeals the ruling. The league buckles and the rookie's 50-game suspension is erased. So not only does the plkayer get away with it, the bully (players union) scares off the folks doing the policing.
So, in the end, what's the fucking point of policing?
The fact that everyone else is doing it does not make it right, but it also doesn't make any fucking sense at all if a guy gets his first-place medal taken away and it is then given to a guy who was caught doping years prior.
Two cheaters: One guy gets a lifetime ban, the other gets the gold medal. In what universe does that make any sense at all?
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Post by DannyA on Oct 17, 2012 10:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by nycbiscuit on Oct 20, 2012 17:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by DannyA on Oct 22, 2012 8:16:13 GMT -5
Formally stripped of his titles, and here's how they're dealing with the "well, everyone was doing it" problem:
Christian Prudhomme, the race director of the Tour, has said the organization would not give the victories to the runners-up at the races Armstrong won because so many of those riders have been linked to doping as well. He said those Tours simply would have no official winner.
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Post by liza on Oct 22, 2012 10:37:31 GMT -5
Ha. Remember that documentary on Discovery? "The Science of Lance Armstrong."
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Post by Darren on Oct 22, 2012 13:22:38 GMT -5
Well played. So if everybody was doping, why strip away any medals at all and have no actual winner for all those years? It's ridiculous, I know, but a valid argument. It's not like those bikers still didn't train like mad and dedicate their entire fucking lives to the sport, absurd as that may sound. I honestly believe their handling of this has tainted the sport forever because they chose to shine light on the obsession that is necessary to excel in the sport at the top level. That's why I didn't play sports professionally...well, in addition to the fact that I suck at sports...I just don't have the ability to willingly do harm to myself to win a stupid medal or trophy. Those that do...as stupid as it is to say these words out loud...should be left the fuck alone. I never used to feel that way. When Barry Bonds was breaking record after record, 'roided out of his mind, I loathed the very sight of him. I still do. Same goes for Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and anyone else who has tested positive. What sickens me now, though, are the leagues who are stupid enough (and/or think WE are stupid enough) to think that catching two or three means they've eradicated the problem and that everything is fine now. "Yep, everyone is a saint, a hero, a role model. Buy a ticket already, and a t-shirt on your way out." The truth is that these crazy athletes want so badly to compete at that level that they'll trade good blood for bad, take endless hits to the head, play on a broken leg, and juice themselves silly. I say fuck it, let them. Only after we allow them to become these ridiculous monstrosities whose hearts give out on the field will athletes begin to regulate themselves. Maybe if enough of them stroke out before the age of 40, they'll finally see the shirtless fat fucks spelling out their team's name with letters painted on their bellies, the foam fingers, and the synthetic hunks of cheese on their heads, and realize that it just isn't worth it. Then and only then will we all be able to play, watch and enjoy sports again for the love of the game. Formally stripped of his titles, and here's how they're dealing with the "well, everyone was doing it" problem: Christian Prudhomme, the race director of the Tour, has said the organization would not give the victories to the runners-up at the races Armstrong won because so many of those riders have been linked to doping as well. He said those Tours simply would have no official winner.
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Post by DannyA on Jan 4, 2013 22:58:49 GMT -5
NY Times reports that Lance is now ready to fess up -- after calling all his former teammates liars. Weaselly bastard.
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Post by henchman on Jan 4, 2013 23:47:32 GMT -5
NY Times reports that Lance is now ready to fess up -- after calling all his former teammates liars. Weaselly bastard. And there we have it. The dochebag admits being a cheater and a douchebag.
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Post by nycbiscuit on Jan 4, 2013 23:51:48 GMT -5
He would do this, the people said, because he wants to persuade antidoping officials to restore his eligibility so he can resume his athletic career.
What's the point? It's not like he could join any team at this point (even though cycling is ultimately individual, there are still teams)
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Post by DannyA on Jan 4, 2013 23:56:29 GMT -5
Pure ego.
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Post by Merc on Jan 5, 2013 0:01:44 GMT -5
NY Times reports that Lance is now ready to fess up -- after calling all his former teammates liars. Weaselly bastard. Oh, how noble of him. We'll probably hear some shit about how, "Americans love a redemption story" and other such horsefeathers. This American doesn't, in his case, and my appreciation of redemption stories are on a strictly case-by-case basis. Stamping this one, "Denied". With some vigor. He must be paying PR people a metric shit-ton of money to rehab his image. Good, they're sharks and he's wounded and bleeding, hope they take him for tons. But, good luck with that. Admitting to doping is one thing, calling others liars for telling the truth far before you could summon the ball to do it is another. He can go fuck himself.
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Post by DannyA on Jan 5, 2013 1:16:13 GMT -5
Exactly Merc.
As I said when I started this thread: Fuck Lance Armstrong.
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Post by Darren on Jan 5, 2013 1:48:40 GMT -5
Man, OJ killed two people and was hated less than this guy.
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