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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 14:45:00 GMT -5
So, now he's leaking more classified information about the US spying on China. Why would you go work for a spy agency, if you have a problem with spying.
Nah. This guy wanted attention. And he wanted it fast. Which is why he could only wait 3 months to do this. Pole dancing (stripper) girlfriend. Failed military career. I don't even know how he passed a security check.
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Post by boots on Jun 12, 2013 15:00:34 GMT -5
Hear ya.
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Post by nycbiscuit on Jun 12, 2013 16:15:30 GMT -5
Has he leaked info obtained from hacking into China, or just that we've been hacking into China? I've only heard the latter. Because I think my cat knows we're hacking into China. And vise versa. So not sure how "classified" that is.
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Post by Hazza on Jun 12, 2013 16:45:32 GMT -5
So, now he's leaking more classified information about the US spying on China. Why would you go work for a spy agency, if you have a problem with spying. Nah. This guy wanted attention. And he wanted it fast. Which is why he could only wait 3 months to do this. Pole dancing (stripper) girlfriend. Failed military career. I don't even know how he passed a security check. And he didn't do this alone.... he has well thought out plans for himself. He knows how to play the game. We only know what they want us to know, this guy included.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 16:50:54 GMT -5
How does a high school dropout, who didn't graduate from community college, with a failed army career and a pole dancing girlfriend pass a high security security check to work for the NSA? I mean, how many red flags does one need?
THAT'S what the real problem is. Outsourcing to private contracting firms. This shit has to end. THAT'S the congressional hearing we really need. Not some bullshit IRS or sex scandal.
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Post by jammybastard on Jun 12, 2013 17:23:21 GMT -5
Hope you all are following this & the hearings today: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-hong-kong-live#block-51b8e0dfe4b053cde2ed63eeSurprise! Surprise! Congress had NO IDEA what the NSA was doing! Guess there wasn't any real oversight after all. (Told ya so) Senior members of Congress from both parties emerged from a Tuesday evening intelligence briefing alarmed at the extent of a surveillance program that many claimed never to have heard of, despite President's Obama's assurance that "every member of Congress" had been briefed. The NSA and FBI held a closed-door meeting with the House Representatives to catch them up on governmental surveillance praxis. Here's part of our report by Dan Roberts, Spencer Ackerman and Alan Travis: After the congressional briefing, Xavier Becerra, leader of the House minority caucus, said there had not been enough oversight of government surveillance programs. "We are now glimpsing the damage," he said, referring to failures to repeal the Patriot Act sooner. "It was an extraordinary measure for an extraordinary time but it shouldn't have been extended." Others said the White House and intelligence committee leaders had been misleading when they claimed all members of Congress were briefed about the mass swoop of telephone records. "There was a letter that we were supposed to have received in 2011 but I can't find it and most of my friends in Congress did not receive this either," said New Jersey Democrat Bill Pascrell, who claimed the widespread collection of phone data amounted to "spying on Americans … This is one of the first briefings I have been to where I actually learned something." The anger was apparent in both parties. The conservative Republican Steve King of Iowa predicted joint action from Congress would be imminent. "There is going to be a bipartisan response to this," he said. Pascrell said: "There were no Democrats or Republicans in there at all, which is a healthy sign, it means we can get something done about this.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 17:29:15 GMT -5
Funny, as what I heard today is that it's not that they weren't briefed, it's just that they didnt bother to read, or understand what they read.
You can't use ignorance as an excuse for something you've been given information on, tat you simply didnt take the time to read, or listen to, or understand.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 17:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by nycbiscuit on Jun 12, 2013 18:20:27 GMT -5
White House spokesman Jay Carney softly walked back President Obama’s Friday assertion that every member of Congress has been briefedSusan Collins On NSA PRISM Briefings: No Access To 'Highly Compartmentalized Information'Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) told reporters in the Capitol Monday that as the top-ranking Republican on last year's Homeland Security Committee, she expected she would have been briefed on the National Security Agency's PRISM surveillance program, but was not. Even as a member of this session's intelligence committee, she said, she had not been briefed before the panoramic snooping program run by the NSA was revealed by The Guardian last week.
Collins said the Obama administration's argument that she could have requested a briefing falls short, because she had no knowledge on which to base a request. "How can you ask when you don't know the program exists?" Collins wondered, chuckling at the absurdity.
As Collins said she understands it, Senate leaders and the top intelligence committee members got briefings. "The rest of us did not. At the time, I was the ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee, so I'd think that I would've had more information about that since I had, along with Joe Lieberman, a monthly threat briefing. But I did not have access to this highly compartmentalized information," she said. "If they're talking about there being widespread knowledge [of PRISM in Congress], there was not."
It goes on to say that the White House enumerated all the meetings they had with members of Congress and lists all 22 of them, but the lists do look pretty targeted to leadership positions, the House and Senate Intelligence committees, and the Senate Judiciary committee. I would have thought that Homeland Security committees would have also been included, as well as House Judiciary.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 20:57:57 GMT -5
So, we should tie the hands of our intelligence community. Give free reign to terrorist. And create an atmosphere of terror that existed in the UK due to the IRA bombings.
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Post by nycbiscuit on Jun 12, 2013 21:09:23 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? It's hardly an either/or situation.
But they've been doing such a bang up job, haven't they? Let's see... a 29 year-old is on the job for four weeks, then takes off. Then after being gone a while, he asks for more time off. When they can't get hold of him, first the company starts to look for him, and then the Feds start to look for him, long before the Guardian/WaPo articles first start coming out. Meanwhile, he's left the country, been in HK since May 20th.
Yeah... The Feds are still knocking on doors in Hawaii and he's been out of the country for at least 3 weeks. It never occurred to the NSA to run this guy's passport, or troll through passenger lists, or through the TSA and Customs? They didn't know he'd left the country even with all this tracking ability.
Ooooh... but you're saying if we even dare to question what the fuck they are doing going through my emails and your phone calls, we've let the terrorists win.
Brilliant.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 21:28:54 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? It's hardly an either/or situation. Actually,it is.
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 21:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by henchman on Jun 12, 2013 21:31:57 GMT -5
It never occurred to the NSA to run this guy's passport, or troll through passenger lists, or through the TSA and Customs? . Wait a inure. This is exactly the thing you want to stop them from doing.
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Post by DannyA on Jun 12, 2013 21:59:50 GMT -5
WTF are you talking about? It's hardly an either/or situation. . Exactly. But some people don't see it that way. It's black. Or it's white. Or you're wrong.
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